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  A Troubling Culture: JW Group Think vs. Individual Critical Thinking

  by MicaSmith in

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  i had no idea that the resistance, governance, and duplicity i am experiencing as a jehovah witness is actually part of a bigger behavioral issue that permeates the entire jehovah witness culture.. i was troubled by the fact that many persons who have been crushed by the unfair practices of jw leadership described themselves as former members of the jw cult, and, or, apostates.

  the latter bothered me to a greater degree because i felt the word apostate has been overused by jw's leadership and members.

  anyone who disagrees with anything the governing body does or says is assigned the label an apostate.

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  Such a great article summation. Thank you for this. I had saved this page years ago, and something today has prompted me to take another look at it.
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  Who’s The Best Actor/Actress? Who Is Overrated??

  by minimus in

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  one of my favorite actors is robert de niro.

  some of his later movies were so so but overall i think he was outstanding.

  meryl streep, i just never thought she was anything exciting yet people say she’s the best actress of all time.

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  I think Jennifer Aniston is over-rated. She is always playing the same role.
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  Unwritten, congregational 'rules'

  by Thetruthhurts in

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  what were some of yours?

  the big one in our hall was no frontal hugs!

  these were generally thought of as inappropriate, only side hugs should be given between sisters and brothers.

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  Brothers, especially elders who are married, sit on the aisle seats. If his wife should sit there instead of hm, it could look like she is unsurping his headship.

  Sisters should always wear nylons. I think this rule is more relaxed now, but once upon a time, it was quite scandalous to wear a dress or skirt and have bare legs!

  Sisters should always have their hemline well below the know, and “even more so” if having a part on stage.

  A brother may have a well-kept moustache but never a beard. (I understand this rule may also be more flexible.)

  A sister singing “so let’s watch how we talk and watch how we walk” may be construed as a sister - gasp! - giving counsel, so some song lyrics are now being adjusted.

  One shouldn’t buy stuff second-hand or from garage sales because you risk picking up something which could allow demons into your home.

  Oh so many more....
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  Ex JW of 30 years , still messed up from it

  by Doubledecker in

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  hi , this is my first post .. i left jws 30 years ago as 18 year old unbaptised youth and after the initial fallout from leaving pretty much put the whole thing in a box and buried it .. however , i am now starting to realise how much the doomsday messages and the ‘them and us’ doctrines that’s fed to you from birth has remained in my core beliefs.. how have others managed to reprogram themselves ?.

  thanks for reading , have a good day .

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  to quote properly, copy someones comment
  Paste it into the comment box first , continue on typing out your own reply
  then to finish , highlight the person's comment and click the Quote link at the top menu and you will see that it creates its own yellow box and wallah

  okay, testing this.... thank you.... !
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  New Book Release in Portugal: "APOSTATE – WHY I LEFT THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" by António Madaleno

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  "apostate – why i left the jehovah's witnesses" by antónio madaleno will be released in portugal, march 2020 in portuguese by penguin random house.. comments about the book that will be on the back cover“from his long personal experience, antónio madaleno reveals some secrets and part of the inner workings of the jws that most followers of the religion are unaware of.

  more than a whistleblowing book, it is a witness book that should be read by the millions of jehovah's witne.... see more.

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  Muddy Waters

  This is great! Will there be an English translation?
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  Hats Off To Simon

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  huge round of applause for simon (not every hero wears a cape).

  this is to say a huge big thank you,tons of appreciation and gratitude from me for simon for toiling away on his own dime for 20 years or so and keeping this site up and running .

  surely this site has helped tons of jdumbs n exjdumbs in their search for ttatt and freedom.

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  Simon, you and this site, are so very valuable and appreciated. You, dear sir, are a gift.

  Many, many thanks to you.
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  'Experiences(tm)'! Made up or totally true??

  by punkofnice in

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  at one assembly(tm), i was asked to relate an 'experience(tm)' which i did.

  however, during rehearsals, the geezer in charge elder or co or some such title, told me that i shouldn't tell it the way it was.

  i did a 're-enactment(tm)' with another 'brother(tm)'.

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  I remember also being told by the DO to alter my part on stage so that it would “better reflect the needs of the circuit”, and thus be more encouraging to the brothers and sisters, blah, blah, blah.

  People who knew me were puzzled at how my experience was so different from my real life, and a few even questioned me afterward. The DO had specifically asked us NOT to say that we were asked to change our parts, so how the heck were you to explain all the discrepancies??

  I was so embarrassed, and couldn’t even explain properly except to say that I was “really nervous” and must have forgotten things I was supposed to say. It was really troubling to me at the time, and I had a hard time dealing with it, feeling like I was lying (well, duh! Of course I was! ☹️) and trying to justify how it all fit into Jehovah’s “theocratic arrangement” for the benefit and spiritual blessing for all, gag, blah.

  My spiritual “high” of being “invited” to be on an assembly part changed to confusion and embarrassment afterward, and left me with a sense of shame that was hard to put right, despite all the earlier fancy talk, justifications, and explanations from the District Overseer.

  After that I never looked at another assembly part the same way, wondering how many of those experiences were also embellished, changed beyond recognition, or outright fabricated. Because I was in so deep, this didn’t even wake me up at the time. It was Just Another Thing pushed under the rug lest it made ways for doubts and weakness and snares of Satan, Blah blah blah.

  But I also never forgot it.... One of those itches you tried not to scratch....
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  What Did You Do With All Your Meeting Clothes?

  by minimus in

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  i literally had dozens of suits.

  i still have more dress clothes than anyone i know.

  i did give some suits and clothing away and to be honest, i still like wearing a nice suit.. brothers and sisters, are all your “ meeting clothes” still in your closet?

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  So many of my dresses were so long... way below the knee, mid-calf most of them (god, I was such a self-righteous shrew, so concerned about being “modest”....)

  I gave most, if not all, of my dresses to Goodwill. I couldn’t stand to look at them and be reminded of that mindset and cultishness.

  Did keep some bags and shoes, though.

  My look today is comfortable, casual, and occasionally hippie. lol.
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  The jw builders choir omg

  by Gorbatchov in

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  seems like the genesis song jesus he knows me.. g.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/?applanguage=e#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/pub-jwb_201910_12_video.

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  They all sound like they have a sprinkle or two (or dash or whole damn shaker) of David Splane... the songs I mean. The new songs. This song. They all sound the same..

  To think, I was once like one of those “earnest ones”....

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  KURD is the word - and the word is KURD

  by Terry in

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  kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.

  once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.

  (gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.

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  Muddy Waters

  Marking to read later, looks so interesting